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    Salutations everyone,

    Since i've started to vaporize i found it hard not to notice that there was a lot of fuzz around what i used to call "water toys", which typically translates as expensive artisanal glassware and/or related items.

    Two main theories appear to emerge if one looks around for information on bongs, whatever:

    1) Some good heat removal renders it better
    2) Added moisture soothes a sensible throat

    Ballons can take care of the heat issues because hot cannabic vapor would cool down as it expands when it passes from a restricted tube to a virtually infinite volume (in comparison). Heat never seemed to be the problem to me though since i do use bags a lot and hence i've witnessed that even after it's inhaled through water the urge to cough may remain relatively strong.



    By chance my readings eventually led to this somehow:


    FogBong!

    Instead of water-washing my noble molecules i've chosen to put back some of the moisture which the vaporization process has removed. That's probably not filtering very well but i'll bet there's some filter action taking place, i wonder. People who look at this often suggest me to try boiling water and this was on my agenda, actually, but i'm awaiting inspiration (no suitable hardware available locally)!

    In any case fog conditioning implies the use of cold water droplets suspended in mid-air and that's radically different from water vapor produced using a boiler. So, it seems heat removal & moisture are bound to end up being locked together as parameters of a very same equation: FogBong!
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    Is that an ultrasonic fogger at the bottom?
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    Bong Fog remnants of a bong toke.
    scotty- *slurrrrrp*
    will- didnt even clear this shit! still some bong fog in this bitch *slurrrp followed by 30 second coughing fit*





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    Salutations Shadimar,
    Salutations TweetyBird,

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadimar View Post
    Is that an ultrasonic fogger at the bottom?
    Yet it is but it doesn't need to have this shape:



    In fact its (golden) piezo-ceramic disc should be the only component that really has to be in water.

    With a commercial ultrasonic humidifier it's no longer necessary to pack the electronic circuitry into such a small 4.5 cm (1¾") dia. puck, as a benefit additional features are made available but i'm still concerned because in either cases it seems these still don't garantee perfect 100 % safety: if the water gets dirty in case of a fatal failure then potentially toxic contamination is likely to occur as i figure the contaminants would become airborne and hence this is a serious concern which eventual experimenters must manage with thoughtfully.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tweetybird View Post
    ...remnants of a bong toke.
    Interesting background but that's not what it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tweetybird View Post
    ...followed by 30 second coughing fit...
    Well, 30 seconds seems a bit over-exagerated but coughing appears to be delayed indeed - which causes less wasting than coughing hard from the start.



    During semi-direct inhalations i usually keep a drink nearby to help me clear my throat between inhalations and all is good, while pre-condition bags can provide a drink-free experience depending on the day, with some freedom of movement as a bonus...

    If coughing happens to ruin all vaping sessions by making you feel like you're wasting herb then i'd suggest this fog experiment to you with confidence! Lets just keep in mind what it is exactly.

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    And from experience I'll just add not to turn on an ultrasonic fogger and place your finger near it unless you don't mind a small burn
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    Hi again Shadimar!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadimar View Post
    And from experience I'll just add not to turn on an ultrasonic fogger and place your finger near it unless you don't mind a small burn...
    Thank you very much for this important mention, that's what i've read about the Mist Maker myself and there's more: so far i've destroyed 4 of those, perhaps in a matter of a few dozen sessions only! I guess even a 445 ml sauce bottle is too restrictive, whatever. What i can tell for sure is that the pucks clearly lack safety mechanisms (even like a simple fuse). As a result it may be convenient for a quick evaluation but i've practically abandonned this particular solution anyway.

    At the moment i'm hoping to find a warm water humidifier with integrated medicinal support. It still would have a fan to propel the hot mist out though...



    So, if fog conditioning is to be integrated into fancy artisanal glasswork someday then i figure it will have to deal with purity of the path, safety for finger skin, etc. - which is why i'm insisting so much on the experimental aspect of my post.

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    check out the aromed vaporizer. www.aromed.com It is designed as a medical vaporizer and it has a water filtration system. I would feel good that this vape would be one for folks worried about heat, small particles and having less dry heat hits. I have used one for long time and found it the best vape for temp control etc.

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    Salutations AllManJoy,

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    ...the aromed vaporizer.
    Of the 210+ vaporizers (past/present/future) that i've seen the Aromed is one of a very few on top of a selective list but i like the Oracle bag system even better (theoretically) and what Aromed offers is radically different from fog conditioning anyway: my cannabic vapor doesn't pass through water if i can avoid it.

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    ...for folks worried about heat, small particles...
    This is a typical configuration i've been experimenting with for a couple weeks now:



    Depending on the herb, at stage #7 i still experienced an urge to cough hard while at #8 i could manage with it. In my opinion there's not much heat left in my cannabic vapor past the water washing stage (#5) but i didn't actually attempt to measure it so that's only my guess...

    By definition fog is moist but it's also cold.

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    I have used one for long time and found it the best vape for temp control etc.
    I'm sure that aspect of the Aromed is excellent. To me going halogen is just logical on top of that - although i believe the ultimate table vaporizer will be driven by magnetic induction in the manner of a kitchen IH cooktop, eventually. But that's quite another story!

    In any case thanks for replying here!

    It's clear the Aromed wouldn't be a bad choice, it's just that i enjoy the somewhat pepper-like sensation in my throat while searching for a satisfying trade-off between conservation of aroma & taste and the need to prevent annoying coughing... Cold water alone doesn't give me that, hence my post based on fog instead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egzoset
    Of the 210+ vaporizers (past/present/future) that i've seen
    Please reply with details regarding the method for future events before the next major sporting event.

    Thanks,

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    Sorry, i don't understand this request as formulated.

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    So then.. asking for tonight's Lotto numbers is out of the question?

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    I have a yacht to go un-order


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    well not sure y you don't want ur vapor goin through water. FIltration is best to be done for particles etc///
    would enjoy seeing what ur fav is. Aromed makes great vape remains for baking as well.

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    Salutations AllManJoy,

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    ...not sure y you don't want ur vapor goin through water.
    It's because fog conditioning has a lesser effect on aroma and taste while it's doing a great job at delaying coughing.

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    FIltration is best to be done for particles etc... would enjoy seeing what ur fav is.
    Sorry, i'm French-Canadian and hence English not being my native language there are times i can't decode for sure. I infer from the above that you're in favour of water filtration in order to capture particles. Is that correct??

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    Aromed makes great vape remains for baking as well.
    Ah, here i believe you're refering to edibles.

    Most unfortunately my HerbalAire ABV is quite depleted when it gets out of the crucible. I've collected it for a long time now, hoping there's enough for me to use 94 % concentrated alcohol for an extract... So far i haven't been lucky with that since i moved to my present location, though i had a radically different reclaiming experience with Zephyr ABV, for example, using my HerbalAire to vape it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egzoset View Post
    Salutations AllManJoy,



    It's because fog conditioning has a lesser effect on aroma and taste while it's doing a great job at delaying coughing.

    I never have seen fog conditioning except in my head after session with AromedSorry, i'm French-Canadian and hence English not being my native language there are times i can't decode for sure. I infer from the above that you're in favour of water filtration in order to capture particles. Is that correct??

    YES
    Ah, here i believe you're refering to edibles.

    Most unfortunately my HerbalAire ABV is quite depleted when it gets out of the crucible. I've collected it for a long time now, hoping there's enough for me to use 94 % concentrated alcohol for an extract... So far i haven't been lucky with that since i moved to my present location, though i had a radically different reclaiming experience with Zephyr ABV, for example, using my HerbalAire to vape it...
    It is important not to turn temp too high for vapping or u might as well combust with a J..... I tested my vape remains and about 1/2 THC removed bud CDN CBD were highter slightly then the original bud used. Most vapes are too hot and reason u cough etc.

    Would love to see your fog method etc.......
    You do well for french language and dechiphering

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    Hi again AllManJoy,

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    I never have seen fog conditioning... ...Would love to see your fog method...
    It turns out i've initiated the present thread in hope to share my findings, hence this would be the right place to start i guess, since i don't know of any others who tried it as presented anyway!! So, welcome aboard: you're about to become a fearless pioneer and then our names will be remembered for ions to come! Etc... Ah! Ah!



    In the meantime lets suppose that's just a simple funny experience to conduct during spare time, especially the Christmass season... If you go forward with this then you'll notice that water condensation is one important characteristic to deal with while experimenting with fog conditioning. This was my solution, gravity kept it where needed:



    I've modified a few details yet that's sufficient to illustrate the method i'm suggesting. The 3rd (right) tube section should have been made shorter instead of trying to make it stand by itself and those scaled compartiments i created inside only caused condensed fog to climb toward my mouthpiece more rapidly. Perhaps you'll find a better way.

    Make sure no water vapor enters the vaporizer (at left), that's even more essential than to avoid drinking water... Maybe i can try to find more pictures to add to my album but that's about it as that's no rocket science after all. A minute amount of fog is all it takes, if your inhales seem wrong then you'll know there's too much - which, by the way, may be an indication that some form of filtration is taking place - but i'm not an expert so you tell me!!



    I published this brief video showing how gravity and surface tension work together in this configuration:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2HP2TIMAmw

    The noise you hear near the end is from a balloon:



    That's my prefered setup because no moisture can enter the vaporizer and it seems bags + fog are a perfect match for me. Everything gets "normalized" inside, drag would depend on tubing diameter but it felt OKay in this case. When i reach my last balloon inhalation i like to detach it and have a stronger sample since potency degrades after a while (10 - 15 minutes should be the maximum limit)...

    I always clean my tubing with 94 % alcohol spray between distant sessions:



    Found at Walmart, alcohol not included. Then i rinse with water - but just keep in mind it's no permanent contraption: it's an experiment.

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    It is important not to turn temp too high for vapping... Most vapes are too hot and reason u cough...
    Well, the HerbalAire won't ignite combustion for all practical purposes. Additionally, my urge to cough is often quite significantly stronger at temperatures below 365 °F (185 °C), e.g. when i start a session near 325 - 350 °F (163 - 177 °C). After a few good tokes i turn the knob up and by the time i reach about 370 °F on the scale (188 °C) it becomes manageable. Lets mention the HA 2.1 is thermostatic but those numbers are only relative to the markings on my unit: those aren't absolute values, the range may be shifted but at least this provides some related perspective.

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    I tested my vape remains and about 1/2 THC removed...
    That's some incentive to rethink this matter again, i'm not very optimistic about that but i'm all ears if you've got an easy recipe in mind... My fat source of preference would be white chocolate! I thought about filling an ABV jar with oil but i suppose i'd better use alcohol for preliminary extraction, after that i can evaporate most of it before i pour in some coconut oil, milk, whatever. There again i'm no specialist...



    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    You do well for french language and dechiphering...
    Thanks, you ain't bad yourself!
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    looks like a wild contraption... glad it works for you. As i said Aromed water bottle does all I need to cool and remove.

    Enjoy and good luck with safe vaping......

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    Salutations AllManJoy,

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    ...wild contraption...
    Indeed, it may seem intimidating to some but the principle is still quite simple to understand... I can't imagine how to make this little Christmass experiment even more accessible, actually!!

    Quote Originally Posted by allmanjoy View Post
    ......Aromed water bottle does all I need to cool and remove.
    Oh i'm very confident that's true. If we agree to forget how it looks the Aromed's price tag alone tells me there ain't much cleaner in this select niche. Well, Element (home of the VapMan) does offer a rhéostatic halogen device, i believe. It seems an Oracle would be the only equivalent alternative i guess.

    Anyway, i've dismantled the monster thing since that was only intended to stimulate the audience.

    Good day, have fun!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egzoset View Post
    Salutations AllManJoy,


    Anyway, i've dismantled the monster thing since that was only intended to stimulate the audience.

    Good day, have fun!!

    Thanks for sharing and happy vaping new year.....

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