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    Question Why go through all this?

    The most common question I've been asked about the witness statement
    I sent to the Canadian officials is "Why are you doing this?"

    Because I want real justice. As the past three years have gone
    by and I've seen and experienced the injustice first-hand, my outrage
    has grown, my career has failed, and I see no reason not to express
    that outrage and suggest alternatives and restitution where applicable.

    Responsible Parties
    • I want to see the medical community held to task for the time, stress,
      and aggravation of trying to fulfill their obscene process, only to be
      blocked at every step. The MMAR application is paperwork, yet
      irrelevent bureaucracies, insurance companies, and pharmacorps with a
      vested and clear interest in blocking medical cannabis use are allowed
      to make treatment decisions. Doctors are ethically and legally
      bound to help patients, not the bureaucrats who sign their
      paycheques!
    • I want to see the SMA and CMA held responsible for their involvement
      in treatment decisions, including the administrators and review board
      members involved in those decisions. If treatment decisions are not
      within their legal mandate, I want to see those involved held as
      accountable as any other person would be who impersonates
      a doctor.
    • I want to have my medical equipment returned by US authorities, whole,
      intact, and fully functional. Why should I pay for shipping and handling
      on medical equipment that was unjustly seized?
    • I want to know the worst abusers in the Chippewa County and Michigan State
      law enforcement systems won't have any further opportunity to abuse other
      citizens of Canada or the United States.
    • I want to know the management and supervisors of the abusers are held
      responsible for their failure to properly supervise, train, and manage
      their staff. If that means a few people lose their cushy jobs, so be it.
    • I want to know that US Customs officers will no longer be allowed to
      steal bottles of wine, destroy personal property, and laugh it off
      because they can just use the local legal system and "our word against yours"
      charges to hide behaviour that our nations fought against in WWII.


    Damages

    What is the going hourly rate for having one's human, civil, and
    constitutional rights abused? How can I possibly put a price
    on what was done by the Chippewa County staff?

    With the shield of anti-terrorism legislation, how can I even try
    to recoup damages for the unnecessary surveillance? The stress? The
    sleeplessness? The damage to my computer systems? The interference
    with my most recent job? The loss of that job?

    How can I possibly fund a civil, criminal, or class-action lawsuit
    on either side of the border when I can't even find or hold a
    job due to health issues and interference from unnecessary surveillance?
    How can it possibly be legal for those responsible to leverage
    the legal systems they work for to oppress a citizen?

    Constructive Change: TY Medical Cannabis Co-Op (TY-MCC)

    I want to work within the bounds of the Canadian MMAR limits and
    the Canadian legal system to implement a non-profit similar to a Co-Op
    or Wheat Pool so that MMAR holders who can take care of a garden
    can help those who can't.

    I want to help build an web-enabled system to address the concerns
    about diversion, including inventory tracking, shipping/receiving,
    general accounting, and properly implemented system security in
    accordance with health care right-to-privacy requirements. (Hey, I have
    to do something to earn a living, eh?)

    I want each garden site to be responsible for itself, so that no one
    individual can defraud the system or be treated as a "drug lord" by
    overzealous Canadian or foreign authorities.

    Ideally I want to see each such site treated as a non-profit charity
    so that the producers of genetics, equipment, and other supplies can at
    least get a tax break for making donations to help out those patients who
    are in the most need.

    I want to see certain physical security technologies developed and
    integrated with existing alarm system approaches so that those who
    operate the gardens don't need to fear theft and abuse by ignorant
    members of their communities.

    I want to know that a network of distributed gardens is allowed to
    share and ship their produce for strain testing, to deal with crop
    failures, and to help out those who are awaiting their first authorized
    crop. I want to see a reasonable storage quota in place so that
    "worst case" scenarios can be handled, with the remaining excess
    produce made available for sale to the cannabinoid research community.

    In the event of any profit beyond reasonable operational reserves, I want
    to see those "profits" redistributed to the co-op MMAR members based on
    their spending/investment amounts, the same as any other co-op.

    Constructive Change: Foreign Relations

    In the cases where the US is demanding extradition of Canadians, why can't
    we rely on teleconferencing technology to keep them safe until they're
    proven guilty and need to be extradited for punishment? Why in the
    world should anyone submit to indeterminate incarceration while
    awaiting trial in a system that has repeatedly shown itself to be unjust?

    The citizens of the US need to deal with their own legal and governmental
    problems. My concern as a Canadian is their interferences with
    our society, law, and government. It is obscene that their
    ONDCP propaganda is aired in Canada, that their politicians threaten ours
    with trade embargoes or worse for following our own path, or that our
    government even considers sacrificing a Canadian to their idea of
    "justice" without due process.

    Constructive Change: Canadian Society

    Perhaps most important of all, I want to see the medical cannabis community
    treated with respect and courtesy instead of being handled
    as potential terrorists, threatened by our communities, and abused by the
    very people and organizations that should be helping us.

    The distributed non-profit co-op builds respect for MMAR holders and
    helps the disabled live as human beings instead of as victims of
    profiteering pharmacorps and centralized government production facilities
    that know next to nothing about the issues we face.

    If you want more ideas, hit that there "Seach" button and start
    reading my post history...

    And if you have any ideas how to address the issue of launching lawsuits
    over the abuses, whether civil, criminal, or class-action, start posting
    below!
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    By the way, I have a draft model of the co-op on the go. I started with the business plans from my failed corp, as it was structured in a way that would be compatible with a distributed-responsibility organization that can meet the 3-licenses-per-site restriction.
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    hey groo
    don't sweat it.
    the MMAR is a joke and the government of canada knows it. they were forced to set it up. not because they wanted to help sick and dying people, but because the supreme court of canada made them do it. the system was set up to fail.
    if you have to sell pot to survive, then who could blame you? how the hell else do they expect poor and sick people to run a 50 plant 5000 watt garden with no income?

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    Foreign propaganda claiming that there is no medical use for cannabis is the joke, Carl. The MMAR is valid legislation that was set up to be improved, not to fail.

    I do not support black market diversion of medical cannabis. Period.

    If you want to take up the battle for commercialization and full legalization, take the arguments to commercialization sites. The medical community does not need to be distracted and defamed by trying to go farther than the general population and political process are ready to support.
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    Ok, if no one has suggestions on financing such a lawsuit, what other options are there?

    The press is obviously an option, but it would be necessary to post articles to the CanWest or CP wire services without having them skewed by a reporter's misunderstanding(s). Plus that's a nasty, ugly business that isn't likely to result in productive change.

    Does the ACLU represent foreign interests (e.g. Canadian) in such cases?

    Is it feasible and legal to seek pro-bono council south of the border without having to enter the US? My understanding is pro-bono council is not legal in Canada -- you either pay a lawyer or represent yourself.

    Hmm. Maybe that's an option -- file a lawsuit, enter the entire witness statement, speculations, and medical history as evidence? Perhaps even printouts of each of my TY posts?

    One suggestion I heard today was to file for a Section 56 using my migraine history document to support such an application. That would bypass the MMAR annual renewal issues, which seems reasonable for an uncurable chronic pain condition, if it's handled by the right judge.

    Any ideas what the filing fees are for court cases if you don't have a lawyer in the equation?

    What is the feasibility of filing a cross-border suit while representing yourself?

    Hmm. That probably wouldn't work. They'd just refuse entry at the border, or demand that I drive 2-3 days to Michigan, only to have the case deferred over and over again until I'm broke.

    It's sad how the crown (Canada) puts off cases time and time again until the defendant has wasted all their money on legal fees, then the crown just drops the charges and you're frelled without setting a precedent.
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    Foreign propaganda claiming that there is no medical use for cannabis is the joke, Carl. The MMAR is valid legislation that was set up to be improved, not to fail.
    no, the MMAR is the joke and the foreign propoganda isn't so foreign anymore. "the system was set up to fail carl." is a direct quote from a well respected neurologist that i see.
    I do not support black market diversion of medical cannabisPeriod.
    well where do you get your supply then, pull it out of your arse if you are growing and you have no license, then i am afraid that makes you black market.
    If you want to take up the battle for commercialization and full legalization, take the arguments to commercialization sites.
    thanks, but i take my arguments wherever i choose.
    The medical community does not need to be distracted and defamed by trying to go farther than the general population and political process are ready to support
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    what have the general population and the political process done for you lately man?
    i'll tell you what. if you want your exemption so badly, then you can have mine. just pm me your address and i will be happy to send it to you. that's how much of a joke the MMAR is to me and i have been a member for a couple years now alomst

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    Nice try on the "black market" swipe.

    Given the issues I've dealt with, do you think I'd mention anything about where I obtain medical cannabis?

    Aside from that, you'd be surprised how helpful and generous the real medical community is at helping each other out. Skilled labour and supplies to help with home renovations and repairs, people helping people to find odd jobs, etc.

    Some people actually help each other out when times are tough instead of trying to screw over the desperate to line their own pockets.
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    In other words...

    Law enforcement could try to guess where I obtained cannabis based on where I went while under surveillance, but as there were many people at those locations, they could only guess. It wouldn't qualify as evidence in a court, and as I would sit in a Canadian cell on contempt charges rather than say squat, that's a dead end for harassing or convicting anyone.

    Any information collected via the camera or audio monitoring in the Chippewa County Jail is inadmissable as evidence. While my Miranda Rights had been read, my rights to counsel and to speak with the Canadian Consulate were interfered with. I was under duress/torture, and any statements I made while babbling my way through the pain I suffered would automatically be dismissed by a just court.

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    Carl, you ask me to send you a PM with my address. Why would you want my address?

    If you want to help, why not PM your contact info or the contact info for a doctor in Saskatchewan who is willing to sign the paperwork?

    You have 15 posts. You slam the MMAR and Section 56. You talk about a neurologist you speak with, so I'm guessing you aren't a doctor yourself.

    Why would I trust you with my personal address information when I don't know anything about who you are?
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    After a bit of thinking (and work cleaning a basement suite with a lovely kick-to-the-head migraine), I realized that the tapes from the camera and audio in the CCJ are evidence -- of abuse. They wouldn't be admissable as testimony in a case against anyone else, but they would definitely be admissable as evidence against the CCJ and related authorities.

    So far I have yet to receive a single email, snail mail, or phone call from any Canadian authorities or elected representatives regarding the witness statement. If I haven't heard from them by the end of this week (Friday 14-JUL-2006), it might indicate interception of communication between a citizen and duly elected government representatives. Even under the anti-terrorism legislation, I do believe that is illegal. I find it hard to believe that twelve mailed packages would all be "lost" by Canada Post.

    So early next week I'll be arranging to speak with local legal counsel about my options. I'm told a couple of firms in the area have associates south of the border as well.

    BTW, I've moved from the retreat near Saskatoon. I'll take care of updating my personal addresses/ids in the near future. After I speak to a lawyer.
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    i am not trying to slam you at all, but i am just saying that having a license is not the great thing that alot of people think that it is.
    cannabis saved my life; therefore, i don't feel as though i need a government issued card to tell me whether or not i am allowed to use it.
    here is my idea of what the MMAR system should look like:
    1.every exempt garden should be built to code with fire, electrical and theft measures in place to protect your garden and your family. if the person owning the garden cannot afford these measures, then it should be the responsibility of the federal government to ensure all the above measures are in place.
    2.all medical garden alarms should be linked up directly to the closest police detachment for immediate dispatch in the event of an alarm.
    3.all medical gardens should be covered by insurance companies against theft, fire and any other problem that should arise, either from a broker or from the federal government itself.
    4. supplies seized from illegal gardens should be checked for safety and then transfered directly to the MMAR for the use of medical cannabis farmers.
    5. all medical cannabis gardeners should have access to a labratory where they can send plant samples to ensure that the plant matter contains no harmful contaminants that the grower may not even be aware exist.

    here is what the current MMAR system looks like:
    if you are lucky enough to get a doctor to back you, the government sends you a card that says you are allowed to grow pot in your home. there are no guidelines, safety proposals, security warnings or anything of the like. the only thing that you are exempt from is getting your door kicked in and having a gun pointed at you. that is by the police. it doesn't exempt you from having criminals kick down your door and point a gun at you. they told me to post my info on the door of my garden in case the police should come. i did, then i got ripped off and there on the door it states plainly that i am allowed to store almost 5 pounds of dry cannabis in my home, which leaves me wondering not if, but when my home will be invaded. if your insurance company finds out you are growing, they drop you like a bad habit, which means you will loose your home if you carry a bank mortgage. if you rent and your landlord finds out, they will put you and your family out on the street so fast it will make your head spin. if you don't want to grow inside your house, you have to spend $10,000 that you most likely don't have keeping thieves out. the more secure it is, the more likely that the average criminal is to know that there is something more than tools inside. i could go on all day

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    oh ya, i'm not new to this site. i have been hanging here on and off since it was first opened and i have known marco since before that

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    It is not the federal, provincial, or any other level of government's responsibility to provide you with a safe garden. It is their responsibility to protect your right to garden. It is their responsibility to ensure that irrelevent agencies don't interfere with your treatment. It is their responsibility to ensure that the insurance companies don't treat your garden as an unreasonable risk when there are no statistics proving it ot be so. It is their responsibility to provide garden inspections to show the insurance companies that your garden is up to code and safe.

    Oxycontin is not free. It gets stolen by addicts. Yet your home insurance won't be dropped because you have a prescription. Your driver's license won't be revoked because you have a prescription. You won't be fired from a job because you have a prescription. You won't be refused a job because you have a prescription.

    Why should medical cannabis be any different?

    You can buy cannabis from the government with your MMAR authorization. You don't have to grow a garden. You can assign your garden to an offsite location and pay them for the labour, power, and other capital and run-rate expenses to do the gardening for you. You don't have to run your own garden.

    Or you could invest the time, effort, and money in learning how to do it right, set up a legal non-profit, keep track of your expenses and labour like any other legal entity (including security systems), and provide those services to a couple of other medical users in need.

    Consider the US constitution: The right to pursue happiness does not mean you are guaranteed happiness and it sure as hell doesn't mean someone else is going to do all the work and provide all the money for you.
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    But you're right about one thing -- if you are on disability, welfare, social assistance, or any other program that would pay a few hundred dollars a month for Oxycontin, you should be able to provide an auditable invoice for the expenses used to produce your medical cannabis. In exchange, you should be willing to attest and sign inventory tracking forms to demonstrate that you aren't diverting your medication for profit.

    Hell, I'd think it reasonable for an Oxycontin patient to have to sign an affadavit that they're not diverting to the black market.
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    Carl, thanks for discussing these issues. Without intelligent debate and discourse, the relevant details often get lost.
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